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I have a question....
Posted by [ALT] 12/8/2006 9:48:21 AM
I've been doing alot of research about income tax...and wanted to know, can anyone tell me if there's a law that requires us to pay income taxes? If there is, will someone please show it to me?
[After some posts in which she quoted some fine tax-evasion authorities]:
You've been sold a bill of goods that you might pay for very dearly.
Posted by zinaval , 12/9/2006 8:14:45 AM
...by people who will comply with the tax codes themselves while they will make money putting you behind bars. It is a fraud, and very immoral one, take my word for it. As a provider, if you run afoul of paying taxes, you will find things reported to every other level of LE. They will take every liberty searching your premises for "other crimes." Don't do this!
There is not a government that has ever existed, anywhere period, that does depend on taxes, including this one. They are all dead serious about collecting them. This government is no exception. You make yourself a "conscientious objector" over this and guess what? It will go nowhere else. You don't hear any outcry for the release of Wesly Snipes. That's about as high level a materially interested conscientious objector as you could get.
The statutes are the law of the land. The IRS was established by Congress and is run by the executive taxes. No, people did not start paying taxes simply through inattention. The court rulings you could cite are for loopholes that were *later closed by Congress.*
I will last appeal to your morality: the government and everything it does cannot run without tax revenues. Think of a nation as a club. You pay *dues* to stay in this country and enjoy benefits for being here. If you don't like it, think of a way to run a government without taxes first. Nothing in life is free, including a country around you.
If you don't like how the nation spends money, come up with ways to save it, programs to cut, and agitate against those and call it to the attention of Congress.
Technically NO!! In practicality YES
Posted by [Mr 220], 12/9/2006 7:06:35 AM
The Constitution states that there shall be NO direct capitation.
The Income Tax was written to tax "income". Congress defined "income" as a gain or profit (IE:money made from money)
back.in1909 (4 years before the 13th amendment was ratified)
Wages were defined as a direct barter of time /labor for money and NOT a gain or profit.
The Income Tax taxes 'Dollars' There has not been any 'legal' US "Dollars" in circulation for decades.
ALL of our paper monies are promissory 'notes' and by strict definition of such no longer even constitute a legal "note"
There are no longer ANY legal coins in circulation containing the prescribed weight in either gold or silver as set forth by the coinage act of the late 1700s.
If your money is not derived from interest from bank accounts, stocks, bonds, etc or basic capital gain; by Congressional definition it is NOT taxable.
If you have not been paid in gold or silver dollars or fractions thereof, or in legal silver certificates “notes” redeemable in silver or gold Dollars you are by definition not liable for taxation.
The IRS code mandates all tax debts to be paid in “Legal US Dollars”. Since there are none in circulation NONE of us can legally pay the debt if we somehow incur it.
Our ever benevolent and always venal Federal government has however done an expert job of double talking and dumbing down the masses so that attempting to live and thrive outside of the duplicative system ratified and corrupted over the last 93 years has all but become impractical and marginalizing.
You are crazy.
Posted by, zinaval 12/9/2006 8:40:27 AM
First, the clause in the constitution you cite was changed by direct amendment. Here is the text of the 13th Amendment ratified by 3/4's of the states:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
So Congress has the right to impose income taxes, and it has, and the executive branch is obligated to collect them. It has through the IRS.
As for how Congress defines income: believe me, they re-defined again since 1909. You can't pick and choose. They've passed tens of thousands of laws since then. Find out the definition since.
The "definition of the dollar" is another false argument. The science of economics was in its infancy then. They thought the only way to have money was to base it on metal. Why? If you study it, you'll find that people first used metals as money because they were regarded as having magical powers. There is no good argument for basing money on metal. Period. Metal doesn't hold it's value; it's more volatile in the markets as the dollar.
We won the Revolutionary and Civil Wars by issuing paper money. So, it lead to the birth of the US. Efforts to go back to "real dollars" from paper money after the Civil War led to major economic depression.
Legal US dollars are US dollars made by statute of Congress. Period.
Posted by [ALT] 12/8/2006 9:48:21 AM
I've been doing alot of research about income tax...and wanted to know, can anyone tell me if there's a law that requires us to pay income taxes? If there is, will someone please show it to me?
[After some posts in which she quoted some fine tax-evasion authorities]:
You've been sold a bill of goods that you might pay for very dearly.
Posted by zinaval , 12/9/2006 8:14:45 AM
...by people who will comply with the tax codes themselves while they will make money putting you behind bars. It is a fraud, and very immoral one, take my word for it. As a provider, if you run afoul of paying taxes, you will find things reported to every other level of LE. They will take every liberty searching your premises for "other crimes." Don't do this!
There is not a government that has ever existed, anywhere period, that does depend on taxes, including this one. They are all dead serious about collecting them. This government is no exception. You make yourself a "conscientious objector" over this and guess what? It will go nowhere else. You don't hear any outcry for the release of Wesly Snipes. That's about as high level a materially interested conscientious objector as you could get.
The statutes are the law of the land. The IRS was established by Congress and is run by the executive taxes. No, people did not start paying taxes simply through inattention. The court rulings you could cite are for loopholes that were *later closed by Congress.*
I will last appeal to your morality: the government and everything it does cannot run without tax revenues. Think of a nation as a club. You pay *dues* to stay in this country and enjoy benefits for being here. If you don't like it, think of a way to run a government without taxes first. Nothing in life is free, including a country around you.
If you don't like how the nation spends money, come up with ways to save it, programs to cut, and agitate against those and call it to the attention of Congress.
Technically NO!! In practicality YES
Posted by [Mr 220], 12/9/2006 7:06:35 AM
The Constitution states that there shall be NO direct capitation.
The Income Tax was written to tax "income". Congress defined "income" as a gain or profit (IE:money made from money)
back.in1909 (4 years before the 13th amendment was ratified)
Wages were defined as a direct barter of time /labor for money and NOT a gain or profit.
The Income Tax taxes 'Dollars' There has not been any 'legal' US "Dollars" in circulation for decades.
ALL of our paper monies are promissory 'notes' and by strict definition of such no longer even constitute a legal "note"
There are no longer ANY legal coins in circulation containing the prescribed weight in either gold or silver as set forth by the coinage act of the late 1700s.
If your money is not derived from interest from bank accounts, stocks, bonds, etc or basic capital gain; by Congressional definition it is NOT taxable.
If you have not been paid in gold or silver dollars or fractions thereof, or in legal silver certificates “notes” redeemable in silver or gold Dollars you are by definition not liable for taxation.
The IRS code mandates all tax debts to be paid in “Legal US Dollars”. Since there are none in circulation NONE of us can legally pay the debt if we somehow incur it.
Our ever benevolent and always venal Federal government has however done an expert job of double talking and dumbing down the masses so that attempting to live and thrive outside of the duplicative system ratified and corrupted over the last 93 years has all but become impractical and marginalizing.
You are crazy.
Posted by, zinaval 12/9/2006 8:40:27 AM
First, the clause in the constitution you cite was changed by direct amendment. Here is the text of the 13th Amendment ratified by 3/4's of the states:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
So Congress has the right to impose income taxes, and it has, and the executive branch is obligated to collect them. It has through the IRS.
As for how Congress defines income: believe me, they re-defined again since 1909. You can't pick and choose. They've passed tens of thousands of laws since then. Find out the definition since.
The "definition of the dollar" is another false argument. The science of economics was in its infancy then. They thought the only way to have money was to base it on metal. Why? If you study it, you'll find that people first used metals as money because they were regarded as having magical powers. There is no good argument for basing money on metal. Period. Metal doesn't hold it's value; it's more volatile in the markets as the dollar.
We won the Revolutionary and Civil Wars by issuing paper money. So, it lead to the birth of the US. Efforts to go back to "real dollars" from paper money after the Civil War led to major economic depression.
Legal US dollars are US dollars made by statute of Congress. Period.
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